Wendy Covey
Erin Moore sits down with Rand Fishkin, one of the most influential voices in modern marketing, to unpack how audience behavior, search, and content strategy are fundamentally changing in 2026. They discuss the rise of zero-click marketing, the myth that AI tools are “killing” search, and why audience research now matters more than competitive research. Rand brings data-backed clarity to some of the biggest questions marketers are grappling with right now.
In this episode, we’re joined by Rand Fishkin, founder of SparkToro, Alertmouse, and Snack Bar Studio; former co-founder of Moz; and, if we can add one more title, keynote speaker at the 2026 Industrial Marketing Summit. Rand brings decades of experience helping marketers understand how people actually discover, consume, and trust information online.
The conversation dives into why audience research has become critical step of marketing strategy as traditional inbound tactics lose effectiveness. Rand explains how data powers audience insights and why these insights are often most valuable for gaining internal buy-in, or just as importantly, for saying "no" to ineffective channels and trends.
The episode also discusses the impact AI tools have had on search, zero-click marketing, and how marketers should rethink attribution in a world where impressions and brand lift matter more than direct clicks. Rand shares advice for teams stuck in outdated SEO playbooks, emphasizing the importance of following audience behavior over competitor behavior, and pushing back against the dangerous mindset of “doing more with less”.
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Wendy Covey
Wendy Covey is a CEO, a technical marketing leader, author of Content Marketing, Engineered, one of The Wall Street Journal’s 10 Most Innovative Entrepreneurs in America, and she holds a Texas fishing record. She resides in a small Hill Country town southwest of Austin, Texas, where she enjoys outdoor adventures with her family.
About TREW Marketing
TREW Marketing is a strategy-first content marketing agency serving B2B companies that target highly technical buyers. With deep experience in the design, embedded, measurement and automation, and software industries, TREW Marketing provides branding, marketing strategy, content development, and digital marketing services to help customers efficiently and effectively achieve business goals.